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 Post subject: Learning skills in rituals
PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:12 pm 
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So, I haven't got anything planned, in any case, but this is more of a general question. If you want to get ritualed up to learn a skill, do you have to have the requisite amount of OSP's to spend? Or is this entirely separate in that you can learn a skill without OSP's?

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 Post subject: Re: Learning skills in rituals
PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:24 pm 
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It depends on the ritual. And the Skill.

You could get a Special Creature/Power lammie which gives you stuff then and there.
You could get a number of training vouchers in which case you then need the OSPs.
You may also need to have your "visit Game COntrol one a year" slot unused.


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 Post subject: Re: Learning skills in rituals
PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:29 pm 
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So if you were planning to do something would the logical thing be to check with Game Control first to see whether or not OSP's would be required to avoid going through a ritual that turns out to be successful except you can't have the skills anyway? Or is it just a case of try it and see?

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 Post subject: Re: Learning skills in rituals
PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:34 pm 
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Or let's put it this way
Ritual a. The ritual is to give John a magical pattern and a regen. No OSP's required.

Ritual b. The ritual is to give John the theology skill. OSP's required.

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 Post subject: Re: Learning skills in rituals
PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:10 am 
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Sometimes when you learn a skill in a ritual you have to spend the OSPs. This makes the ritual effect “cheaper” and in effect you could teach the skill to more people or teach a harder skill to one person. I have seen rituals results where there is a downside which can be got rid of by spending the OSPs (Such as high magic spells costing 5 power cards unless you spend the OSPs when they dropped to the normal 4). I have also seen rituals where 2 non restricted skills were learnt without spending any OSPs at all.
In my experience skills learnt in a ritual do not count as your trip to god and do not count as one of your 4 learnt a year.
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 Post subject: Re: Learning skills in rituals
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In fact Gem there are very few things you “can’t” do in a ritual circle. (A few more its not a great idea to do but that’s an ic discussion)

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 Post subject: Re: Learning skills in rituals
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Frankly the amount of times I hear stories about ritual circles going boom, well, I don't feel confident about stepping into one anyway :lol:

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Radek is in total agreement with you on that one.

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I also get the impression that rituals and "very special things" are the exception to god's one a year rule.


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 Post subject: Re: Learning skills in rituals
PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:23 pm 
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Gem wrote:
Frankly the amount of times I hear stories about ritual circles going boom, well, I don't feel confident about stepping into one anyway :lol:


Havaar is totally with you and will actively try to persuade you that rituals are far to dangerous to be meddling with.

This is not an IC forum though so if you do the sums, there are probably 50 or so rituals per year at events (I'm open to correction here, working on 4 per faction and 1 per guild per year.... now I think about it, probably more but 50 is an easy figure to work with). The last ritual I'm aware of that went spectacularly wrong without being a plot ritual planned to do so was about 4 years ago. So thats 1 per 200 rituals or just 0.5% chance.

Of course its not a random figure and everyone wants the most they can get out of a ritual so it becomes a balance of how much goes in vs how much you try to drag out.

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 Post subject: Re: Learning skills in rituals
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Im always happy to chat rituals Gem ... especially over cake

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 Post subject: Re: Learning skills in rituals
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Depend on what skill you're learning, my group have taught several demonologists and theologists in various rituals over the past couple of years.

In each case the 'targets' have had to pay the 10osp cost for the skill, but it has NOT counted as one of their 4 skills per year, nor as their 1 trip to god, additionally it has appeared on their card instantly, as opposed to requiring to be tutored over the years.

However, I know of at least 1 person who has received a skill as a 'Special power' on an additional lammie which only lasted a year.

If you want a chat at the Moot, you can find me in the Harts camp, Gavin/Merlon depending if we're IC or OC, cake is not required but I'd not say no :P

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 Post subject: Re: Learning skills in rituals
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It's starting to sound like if I did decide I wanted to learn something in a ritual, the OSP cost would be minimal and I could mostly pay for it in cake :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Learning skills in rituals
PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:11 am 
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I would strongly suggest talking to the watchers about your ritual plan, they will tell you about the wisdom of any plans you have in mind.

To answer the original post though I would keep the necessary OSP's to hand anyhow


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